IF you had one choice how many regional solo II events do you want for 2007?

[J.C.]

Wich calendar schedule would you want to commit to.

[finboy]

i have two suggestions

A) ONE large event for all the marbbbles

or


B) 3 single Regional events

"western"

"central"

"eastern"


no need to attend any or all.. show up for the title you want to go for
and battle

take none, 1,2 or all three titles

[finboy]

to view results:

http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=91

[Doug Phillips]

The older polls should be locked to make sure all new votes come here.

Best 4 or 5 of 6-8 events.

I also vote to have no regional events in July or August and no conflict with the Canadian Nationals or the SCCA Nationals.

My last vote is no skinny ass subarus on rain dates.:D

[JoeT]

My last vote is no skinny ass subarus on rain dates.:D

Bwahahahahaaha... Do you mean the WRX's or the Green Family Wagon with 120 Hp. LOL

[SE-R Racer]

I think we should have a poll to see who wants more polls about this subject, I don't think the horse is quite dead yet :rolleyes:

[andrew1984]

IBS ... itchy balls syndrome

[J.C.]

I think we should have a poll to see who wants more polls about this subject, I don't think the horse is quite dead yet :rolleyes:

You do know the first poll was from October 2005?

[SE-R Racer]

And another from a couple of days ago and then this one...thats three so far...

[thekid]

And another from a couple of days ago and then this one...thats three so far...

The reason this poll was created is because the previous one wasn't public and it would make it easy for people who aren't likely to run in the series to affect the results. This way the results can be taken with a grain of salt.

[JoeT]

And another from a couple of days ago and then this one...thats three so far...

Nice feature about this Poll over and above the other ones (that's why it was re-created), is that by clicking on the numbers above, you're able to see who voted for what, which lends credability to the vote.

Example.. Those that voted for the 3 out of 5 events, we can apply weighting based on History. Of course, the weighting will depend on the Solo directors interpretation of the poll.

Out of the 15 that voted, how many of those are actually valid?

Voters:
andrew1984, bbqman, coneman, FastFox, gatherer, Guillermo, J.C., JoeT, max attack, miataboi, msix, Piotrov, Slappy, TOYSRUS, wrxr176

A case can be made that J.C and Andrew1984 count only as one vote, since J.C. has not particpated in any regionals, in addition to that miataboi indicated that he's not particpating in any 2007 Regionals effectively bringing down the vote for that section to 13.

Just an example, don't take this to heart..

The other polls didn't offer that allowance.

[J.C.]

A case can be made that J.C and Andrew1984 count only as one vote, since J.C. has not particpated in any regionals, in addition to that miataboi indicated that he's not particpating in any 2007 Regionals effectively bringing down the vote for that section to 13.

Just an example, don't take this to heart..

The other polls didn't offer that allowance.

Joe no offense taken, I would just like to make it known that I ran as many regional events as Pat did in 2006. So feel free to discount his vote also. ;)

[IanO]

Why would you only want input from people who ran the regional series last year? Shouldn't the input of someone who didn't run the series last year be considered also if the goal is to grow the series? The people who ran the series last year don't mind the format or at least can tolerate it since they made it out to some events. Limiting the voters will bias the results obviously ;)

[finboy]

Example.. Those that voted for the 3 out of 5 events, we can apply weighting based on History. Of course, the weighting will depend on the Solo directors interpretation of the poll.



I'd also like to bring the attention that there are others who WANT to participate at Regional Event(s)

but because of the number of them.. CAN'T!!


to say based on history.. and to discredit their input isn't right



its just nice to see who voted, and what they selected...

those who selected fewer events.. if they didn't show in the past.. hopefully they will seriously consider doing it now



those who selected same/more events..
it should reflect that they have attended all of them, and then some in the last few years (if they did great!!! if they didn't.. then you'd have to question why they selected it...)



regardless of other issues.. i think everyone would agree..

getting more attendance/participation should be an issue to be addressed with the solo II committee

[thekid]

Why would you only want input from people who ran the regional series last year? Shouldn't the input of someone who didn't run the series last year be considered also if the goal is to grow the series? The people who ran the series last year don't mind the format or at least can tolerate it since they made it out to some events. Limiting the voters will bias the results obviously ;)

I don't think the intent is to not consider potential competitors opinions, but some of us have stated that we will not be running regionals next year, some others have their priorities in other motorsports disciplines, so these things need to be taken in to consideration when looking at the results of the poll.

[13inches]

This isn't an official poll anyways.

Wes (who's doing a great job, BTW!) can choose to look at the results or not. He has asked that everyone email him with their suggestions to make things better, and I feel that is the best way to go. If you voted, send him an email and tell him why you feel that way!

Just remember that by being vocal, you are "trying to shape the direction of the sport for everyone," and you "should be taking into consideration everyones point of view."

[SE-R Racer]

Joe no offense taken, I would just like to make it known that I ran as many regional events as Pat did in 2006. So feel free to discount his vote also. ;)
Which one did you run?
http://www.casc.on.ca/uploadedFiles/2006Event8-082006060820205419.pdf

[fritZman]

I voted for a single double header weekend b/c it's the easiest way to get all the players for a show down.

Otherwise, I'd select the best 4 of 6 event, only if the 6 events were held over 3 double header weekends (Western, Central, Eastern).

[J.C.]

Which one did you run?
http://www.casc.on.ca/uploadedFiles/2006Event8-082006060820205419.pdf


Event 8, the same one you ran.

FYI I am also a CASC-OR Steward so even when I am not running I can still participate.

[SE-R Racer]

I thought that was you.

FYI, I paid my regional dues at the Open House, so I can participate too.

[J.C.]

From what I understood at the workshop I think they are doing away with the registration dues for 2007 so that you can have walkins off the street for any regional. But don't quote me.

[SE-R Racer]

I may be mistaken but I'm pretty sure they want to go back to the way it was, regional competitors still have to register and pay series entry, but on the day of the event, anyone can play...but to score regionally you must be series registered.

[J.C.]

It's possible I do not know. There were a few ideas thrown around. I do remember someone mentioning waiving a 5 dollar per event fee.

[max attack]

Can we have a interprovincial event between us and the montreal guys as part of the series?If not than we should have a double header style event with them anyways.:)

[J.C.]

We did have an interprovincial the last two years. Next year I believe it is Quebec's turn to host since it was held this year in Ottawa wich most likely means it will be at PMG in 2007.

http://www.mco.org/cms/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5744

[Tashko]

Can we have a interprovincial event between us and the montreal guys as part of the series?If not than we should have a double header style event with them anyways.:)

Yeah baby, let's do it!!

[finboy]

Can we have a interprovincial event between us and the montreal guys as part of the series?If not than we should have a double header style event with them anyways.:)


Tom.. not sure if you were kidding.. but MCO/CADL guys have hosted an INTERPROVINCIAL event, that has been an annual thing for the last few years.. alternating venues..

we have a CUP, BBQ, dancing gurls and everything!!!

here's a promo vid we used last year..


check it out....

"babyfin".. aka Will from www.advantechstudios.com made this vid for us to promote our club events!!


Tres sexy!!!

oh..... turn up your speakers too!!

http://advantechstudios.com/videos/dhpromo.vmv9.wmv

or

http://advantechstudios.com/videos/dhpromo.vmv9.wmv

it was on the saturday.. sunday was the regional in ottawa

(note: the interprovincial cup was better attended than the regional)


http://www.spd-kilz.com/photo/soloii_september9.htm



btw... this mofo ruled the weekend!!!

http://www.mco.org/cms/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5764&highlight=jesus

[TOYSRUS]

That video is absolutely awesome! Who is the guy in the silver mustang?

[finboy]

That video is absolutely awesome! Who is the guy in the silver mustang?

Wil did an amazing job with the video!! but he drives like miss daisy!!

:p


silver mustang = Mani he was a fwd guy... till recent

[finboy]

just looking at the results..

where's everyone??

barely any hada, spda votes on there....

:confused:

[JoeT]

just looking at the results..

where's everyone??

barely any hada, spda votes on there....

:confused:

How many are you expecting to vote? There are 12 SPDA and Lots of HADA votes.

There are 51 Votes, more than the average Regional Last year. Anyways, that's a pretty good representation / dispersal of votes. As far as I'm concerned, the poll has served it's purpose.

39 Votes for 4 or less events.
11 Votes for 5 or greater

That's quite a large margin, and most of the ones that voted are directly related to Autoslalom (Solo 2), so the relivancy is quite high.

My .02 cents.

[finboy]

i don't know mang.. some may feel 51 is a good representation

some might want more..

tac
spda
hada
omsc
msoc
comp vette
st. lac
ptbo
twin
mco
wosca
etc...

there are a few more peeps out there.. then again.. maybe there ain't

[h-bomb]

39 Votes for 4 or less events.
11 Votes for 5 or greater



Joe,

Your math is flawed...

I see 29 voted for 6 or more events and 24 voted for 5 or less events.

You liekly looked at the number that count versus the total number in the series.

Hanif

[JoeT]

Joe,

Your math is flawed...

I see 29 voted for 6 or more events and 24 voted for 5 or less events.

You liekly looked at the number that count versus the total number in the series.

Hanif

Huh?

10 or more events I will go to all regional events 3 5.56%
I like it the way it is, with 10 regional events 1 1.85%
Best 5 out of 7-8 event regional series 7 12.96%
Best 4 out of 6-7 event regional series 18 33.33%
Best 3 out of 5 event regional series 18 33.33%
One 2 event double header weekend 6 11.11%


If I were to count, it shows 36 Voted for 4 or less (See bold)... Yes, I'm reading the number that counts aka minimum events... Yes... Confirmed "10-4...

[h-bomb]

Huh?

10 or more events I will go to all regional events 3 5.56%
I like it the way it is, with 10 regional events 1 1.85%
Best 5 out of 7-8 event regional series 7 12.96%
Best 4 out of 6-7 event regional series 18 33.33%
Best 3 out of 5 event regional series 18 33.33%
One 2 event double header weekend 6 11.11%


If I were to count, it shows 36 Voted for 4 or less (See bold)... Yes, I'm reading the number that counts aka minimum events... Yes... Confirmed "10-4...


If you vote for best 4 out of 6-7 events, it means you want a series with 6-7 events and not only the 4 that count, etc, etc, etc

Hanif

[SE-R Racer]

Time for another poll :D

[J.C.]

Joe is right thou there is definately a difference in opinion from last years poll.

2005 Poll
I like it the way it is, with 10 events 21 31.34%
fewer events 7-8 at only the best venues 20 29.85%
this 3-4 event regional series might be a good idea 23 34.33%
doesn't matter I love everything and everyone. 5 7.46%

2006 Poll
10 or more events I will go to all regional events 3 5.56%
I like it the way it is, with 10 regional events 1 1.85%
Best 5 out of 7-8 event regional series 7 12.96%
Best 4 out of 6-7 event regional series 18 33.33%
Best 3 out of 5 event regional series 18 33.33%
One 2 event double header weekend. 6 11.11%
Doesn't matter I love everything and everyone 1 1.85%

One thing I noticed it seems we are 80% less likely to love everyone :p

[J.C.]

Time for another poll :D

lol you think we need one to see who will be in wich class or tire brand? :D

[SE-R Racer]

How about a poll if we should run if it's windy or not...and if the wind direction changes do the scores count or a re-run will be issued :D :D :D

[JoeT]

How about a poll if we should run if it's windy or not...and if the wind direction changes do the scores count or a re-run will be issued :D :D :D

How about a Poll about a Pole
who created a poll about a poll
Which resulted in another poll
about a poll
if this poll is the end of all polls

Then let's have a poll to help us decide that this'll be the last poll for this poll.


Taken from the speech writer for Jean Cretian, author of "Da proof is da proof, if da proof is da proof".

[max attack]

I've only been to 1 Ottawa regional event(2001 I think),swore I would never make the effort again-it was the absolute worst organised event I've been too of any kind.We barely even started running before noon and only got 3 runs on a lousy lot.
Hoping things are much better before I spend nearly a grand for truck fuel,hotels food etc.:)

[miataboi]

I've only been to 1 Ottawa regional event(2001 I think),swore I would never make the effort again-it was the absolute worst organised event I've been too of any kind.We barely even started running before noon and only got 3 runs on a lousy lot.
Hoping things are much better before I spend nearly a grand for truck fuel,hotels food etc.:)

Ottawa has their sheite together now.

Good group.
I'll run out there before I run in the regional series again... a 4-hr drive it cool when you have that atmosphere, cool cars and great competitors

Plus slush and slide... etc.

Great guys... true motorsports nuts...
I'll likely run their series... and the Quebec series!

They know what it's all about.

[gatherer]

lol you think we need one to see who will be in wich class or tire brand? :D


well we can't post a poll for which class since the forum only allows 10 options on a poll, and we have 25 classes. I say we post a poll to see if everyone wants to reduce the number of classes to 10 classes so that we can post a poll to see who will be in what class.

[J.C.]

a poll to see if everyone wants to reduce the number of classes

Reduce the class quantities you say! ;)
Sure we could do:

Class 1) Americas

Class 2) Euroupean

Class 3) African & Asian

Class 4) Mod anything that is non stock

Only modification allowed in stock class are Dot tires.
Now that be some big ass classes :D

[TOYSRUS]

I've only been to 1 Ottawa regional event(2001 I think),swore I would never make the effort again-it was the absolute worst organised event I've been too of any kind.We barely even started running before noon and only got 3 runs on a lousy lot.
Hoping things are much better before I spend nearly a grand for truck fuel,hotels food etc.:)


Tom, Ottawa has been running some of the best events these days. I beleive at one point during the interprovintial cup they were running 3 cars at a time! Anyways, it would be well worth the trip.:) And your more than welcolm to crash at my place for the weekend.....lots of room and "only" 90 minutes from the track :)

[finboy]

I've only been to 1 Ottawa regional event(2001 I think),swore I would never make the effort again-it was the absolute worst organised event I've been too of any kind.We barely even started running before noon and only got 3 runs on a lousy lot.
Hoping things are much better before I spend nearly a grand for truck fuel,hotels food etc.:)



bro... you were NOT the only one who had those feelings back then...


I crap you not.... MCO events are one of the best around ontario

-organization -good core group of guys
-timing - multiple car management
-pa system - entertaining/informative
-venue - home of the Sens... aka Corel Center now Scotia place - we normally have 2nd gear/50-65 second courses
-competitors - great variety of cars/skill levels
-atmosphere - club fun style easy going helpful FUN
-competition - good mix of drivers in different cars
-door prizes - we go to Eastsides after the event.. (probably 30ish people showup)


its good times mang!!

[bbqman]

I've only been to 1 Ottawa regional event(2001 I think),swore I would never make the effort again-it was the absolute worst organised event I've been too of any kind.We barely even started running before noon and only got 3 runs on a lousy lot.
Hoping things are much better before I spend nearly a grand for truck fuel,hotels food etc.:)

Like any club or organisation, there are the ups and downs. I have been competing on and off in Ottawa since the early 90's.
They have organised some of the best and worst autoslalom events that I have done..
I would say that right now, the autoslalom community in Ottawa is on the upswing and many clubs can learn from them.
The have the best lot in Ontario ( amenities, surface and space). They have a dedicated core group that is gaining more and more experience as each year passes. The competitors are at as strong as they were back in the day.

If there was only 1 event I could do in Ontario.......MCO wins no hesitation.

[max attack]

Ok I give MCO rocks-see you there next year.:D

Bill ya got room for a family of 3?;) :)

[TOYSRUS]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The kids can even have there own room;)
Room service is extra though :eek:

[max attack]

Sounds good,might take you up on the offer when the time comes.:)

[Doug Phillips]

It seems that 4 or 5 out of 6 to 8 events is what it is coming down to based on the votes.

Now if we can only stay away from July and August. :)

[JoeT]

It seems that 4 or 5 out of 6 to 8 events is what it is coming down to based on the votes.

Now if we can only stay away from July and August. :)

Um er... I beg to differ:

Best 4 out of 6-7 event regional series 20 32.26%
Best 3 out of 5 event regional series 21 33.87%

It seems to me that it's 3 or 4 out of 5 or 6.. LOL (splitting hairs).. :D

I'd be cool with 1 throw away..

[13inches]

Why does everyone think this poll is official?

[JoeT]

Why does everyone think this poll is official?

Why do you think, everyone thinks this is official? :D

[Doug Phillips]

Um er... I beg to differ:

Best 4 out of 6-7 event regional series 20 32.26%
Best 3 out of 5 event regional series 21 33.87%

It seems to me that it's 3 or 4 out of 5 or 6.. LOL (splitting hairs).. :D

I'd be cool with 1 throw away..

Beg all you want. :p

There are 10 guys voting for 5 of 7 to 8 so I added them together

best 4 or 5 out of 6 to 8 30 votes 48.39%:D

[Doug Phillips]

Why does everyone think this poll is official?

Officially, this is a poll, and that makes it official. :D

[JoeT]

Why does everyone think this poll is official?


In all seriousness though, take a look at all the persons that have voted, official or otherwise, it's prudent for the Solo Director to view this information and take it into cosideration, even you voted (2 event double header weekend).

Reason being: There are 62 votes, more than the average attendance last year, and most that have been in this sport for quite a long time. Now if it's people from unrelated disciplines, or from off the street with anonymity, then the poll would be irrelivant.

I'm not saying to use this "single" input as a basis for decision making. But to add the results of this poll to the multitudes of inputs Wes's already recieved, and make the decision from that.

Is that a fair statement?

10 or more events I will go to all regional events
Methanoxide, SE-R Racer, soloZ 3 4.84%
I like it the way it is, with 10 regional events
JAYh 1 1.61%
Best 5 out of 7-8 event regional series
6thGear, AndrewR, brute66, Cliff96, Doug Phillips, dougc905, h-bomb, Marsh, nitrowsb, Tony Kloosterma 10 16.13%
Best 4 out of 6-7 event regional series
101rs, AlexeiS, Alf, AtomicPunk, ChrisH, Coedmusic, DiscoDRock, goni, Gwoody27, jduffett, kwlsti, Maddog, MazdaMatt, Pete@Marcor, ShaneG, sjd, sr20de_99, Steve2, Tashko, thekid 20 32.26%
Best 3 out of 5 event regional series
andrew1984, bbqman, coneman, Daniel, DBlokker, FastFox, gatherer, Guillermo, J.C., JoeT, Lephturn, max attack, Maxpie, miataboi, mike_moss, msix, Piotrov, Robin2, Slappy, TOYSRUS, wrxr176 21 33.87%
One 2 event double header weekend
13inches, brujack, DareBee, finboy, fritZman, yellowhotshoe 6 9.68%
Doesn't matter I love everything and everyone
7plymaple 1 1.61%

[DareBee]

Also points of note

Look at where the "old" regulars of this sport have voted - specifically the ones that DO NOT RUN this series.

This is a two headed snake (maybe)
If you cater to the guys who do not run (to get them back); will you lose the guys that currently run OR will they stay and the series will double in size.

:confused:

[retro_mike]

Exact number of events aside, there should be no less than 2 throw away events in the schedule if the schedule includes a double header weekend. Life happens to a lot of us and it wouldn't be fair if someone couldn't make a double header weekend due to other commitments and there was only one throw away event.

[thekid]

^ 2007 Schedule has already been set:
http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=10171

[finboy]

true dat..

but it still doesn't hurt to get people to chime in with their opinion

get some data on what people want for a REGIONAL type of schedule for the future

[retro_mike]

It said "basically set" with 2 reserved dates so it still sounds like the exact # of events could still change. That's beside my main point though, which is that it should be best 5 of 7 events. Is that the format we're running this year?

[JoeT]

It said "basically set" with 2 reserved dates so it still sounds like the exact # of events could still change. That's beside my main point though, which is that it should be best 5 of 7 events. Is that the format we're running this year?

The official schedule is in this thread: http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=10171


The schedule is basically set for the 2007 season. Currently there are five events with three counting towards the Series and there is the possibility of an additional (sixth) date that MAY be added. Due to the entities involved in this possible seventh date, details have not been resolved as of yet and will hopefully be resolved in a timely fashion. If the seventh event is added, the series will be four of seven.



CASC-OR 2007 Mobil 1 Autoslalom Championship Series Schedule

April 1 - Solo Ontario Open House - CSC Racing, Newmarket
April 28-29 - CASC-OR Solo 2 – SPDA - Autoslalom School – BCS&E, Brampton
May 12 – 13 – Reserved – Details to follow
June 2 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - SPDA – Picton Airport, Picton
June 3 – CASC-OR Solo 2 - St. Lac. – Picton Airport, Picton
June 16 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - HADA – Bronte GO Station, Oakville
June 17 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - COMP – Bronte GO Station, Oakville
July 22 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - WOSCA – Hiawatha Horse Park, Sarnia

[13inches]

The series has traditionally been scored as half+1 (rounded down for years that have an odd number of events) out of the total number of events. 4 of 7, 6 of 10, etc etc. If that continues, this year would be scored 3 of 5 as it stands right now.

My $0.02 is that a short series like this should be scored closer to 100% (4 of 5) to encourage maximum participation. Of course, with 2 double-headers if you miss one whole weekend you're kinda screwed.

[retro_mike]

Thanks for reposting the sched, i understand that part but I'll clarify what i'm getting at below.



.

My $0.02 is that a short series like this should be scored closer to 100% (4 of 5) to encourage maximum participation. Of course, with 2 double-headers if you miss one whole weekend you're kinda screwed.

That's my point, if you miss a double header weekend you're screwed. It should be best 5 of 7 to be reasonable to most people. So is it going to be scored best 5 of 7 events or best 6 of 7? because that hasn't been stated yet from what i read in the schedule post.

[tanney]

Currently it sits at the best 3 of 5, BUT there is the possibility of one more event and the series will become the best 4 of 6.

[retro_mike]

Thanks Wes!:)