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JoeT
12-05-2006, 10:01 PM
Hi All,

I just though I'd post this here, since the thread where Wes posted it, is locked and closed. Looks like feedback is required by ASN CAC TAC and some other acronyms.

Looks like, feedback is required to be forwarded to the ASN CAC TAC representative, which in this case is Wes Tanney. There are time limits to the feedback required, and it looks like the information will be used to help shape the rules for 2007 and beyond.

If I'm overstepping things by posting this, please delete it.

ASN SoloSport Competition Bulletin
Pub. No. 06-12
1. Ref: G07-001 Procedure for rules Proposals, feedback and publication
Submitted by CAC Technical Sub-Committee, Date Oct 20, 2006
Rule inquiries/clarifications and proposals may be submitted at anytime via your ASN SoloSport
Representative or your CAC Technical Sub-committee member.
Inquiries and clarifications shall be either answered directly and/or published in upcoming ASN
SoloSport Competition bulletins. Inquiries and clarifications regarding are effective immediately
unless otherwise noted.

Proposals may be submitted at anytime via your ASN SoloSport Representative or your CAC
Technical Sub-committee member. Once published, the feedback time limit for each issue is
effective 60 days from the date of publication/issue of the ASN SoloSport Competition bulletin.
Results of member feedback and CAC Technical Sub-committee evaluations will be published
thereafter. Changes resulting from the proposals shall be published and effective in the
subsequent year’s CAC Rule Book. IE: any changes approved in 2007 will appear in the 2008
rules. Unless the matter is one of safety or similar/immediate item of which they will become
effective as of the date published unless otherwise noted.

ASN SoloSport Competition bulletins are to be published monthly online either on the ASN
Canada FIA website or via each ASN territory’s online venues to assure the widest distribution of
the bulletin.

To submit proposals and/or feedback, please direct your correspondence to your local CAC
Technical Sub-Committee Rep or to autoslalomtech@gmail.com

2. Ref: G07-002, SCCA vehicle modification rules adoption
Submitted by Various, Date 04 Oct. 2006
The reference document can be downloaded from this URL:
http://www.scca.com/Solo/Index.asp?reference=rules

Recently, and over the past few years, there has been a growing interest in switching the entire
CAC car modification/preparation and classing system to the SCCA Solo2 Rulebook sections 13
to 18. The sections include the following car classifications – Stock, Street Touring, Street
Prepared, Street Modified , Prepared, and Modified. They do not include any of the karting
classes available to SCCA competitors as ASN Canada FIA has determined that karting is not
consistent w/ the ASN model of Solosport competition. Car class listings will also refer to SCCA
listings as they do currently and will continue to include Canada-only market vehicles. CACC
and FSAQ have already adopted these rule sections for their regional competitions.
This proposal is submitted to gain member feedback and determine if switching to SCCA car
preparation/modification rules is beneficial to the long term growth of AutoSlalom in Canada.

There are some key questions that should be asked/answered in evaluating this. Are the current
Canadian car preparation/modification rules consistent with current automotive trends and
technology? Can CAC rules be effectively maintained and developed given current ASN
Solosport staffing levels? Are there healthy entry levels across the current car classing systems?
If a switch to SCCA rules is desired, should it be a complete switch or be phased in?
Current opinions for and/or against this proposal are not published in this bulletin in order not to
influence the feedback ASN requires on this significant issue. Time limit for feedback on this
issue is 120 days from the date of publication of this bulletin.

3. Ref: G07-003 Warming of tires prior to competition
Submitted by: WCMA member, Dated Oct. 23, 2006
A situation arose from a late-season Winnipeg Sports Car Club event whereby a competitor had
pre-heated his tire prior to competition while in his pit area. The method/device used was not
disclosed in the original account of the occurrence. The inquiry arose: is it legal/allowable to do
so?

While there is currently nothing in the CAC rule relating to this situation, SCCA Solo2 Rules
6.11 states “Pre-heating of tires prior to competition by electrically heated covers or by similar
means is prohibited”. In keeping with the core value of accessibility to AutoSlalom, it is the
intent that active preheating of tires is not permitted either by a) electrical devices or by b)
‘scrubbing’ tires while approaching grid areas. The former introduces a cost and technology
component that may not be available to all participants, while the latter potentially encourages
irresponsible driving manoeuvres around or on the event site. Neither is a positive influence on
the sport.

The following change is submitted for member feedback and will be effective immediately upon
approval and publication:

5.9.15 Tire Temperatures.
“Tires may not be pre-heated prior to competition via active methods. Electrical heating devices
are not permitted. Tire temperatures may be maintained via passive devices such as covers or
water sprayers. The scrubbing of tires either on or off the event site is prohibited. Event
organizers may reserve the right to disqualify competitors driving in an irresponsible manner.”
Time limit for feedback on this issue is 60 days from the date of publication of this bulletin.

4. Ref: M07-001, Replace CAC Modified Category with SCCA Modified Category
Submitted by Pat Smith WCMA, Date 20 Oct. 2006
The reference document can be downloaded from this URL:
http://www.scca.com/Solo/Index.asp?reference=rules

A request for a complete review of the current CAC Modified category has resulted in discussion
surrounding a major revision of this section of the Rules. Topics include the treatment of tube
framed vehicles and the advantages thereof plus the definition of “series produced” as it applies
to production based cars and any ‘kit/replica’ car that may fit into Modified category. A few
different proposals have been submitted to the CAC Technical Committee and they all center on
adopting parts of, or all of, the SCCA Solo2 Rules section 18. Over the years, there has also been
loopholes in the way the engine displacement and minimum weight cut-offs define where a
modified racing car is classified. With the variety of Modified cars there are in circulation,
there’s an urgent need for revision- the most expedient method being adopting SCCA Modified
category allowances. Due to the nature of the category itself, it appears to have no impact on the
other CAC classes.

Time limit for feedback on this issue is 60 days from the date of publication of this bulletin.
If approved by ASN, this change may take effect for the 2007 CAC rules.

5. Ref: SS07-001, Super Stock category items for member input:
1. Allowing motor mounts in SS. They are a common bolt-on modification that is inexpensive
and very common in the 'tuner' community.
2. Removal of allowance for limited slip differentials in SS. These parts are anything but a bolton
mod, major expenses may be needed to swap this part - not a good fit for the bolt-on
philosophy of SS.

3. Allowing shock mounts in non-strut cars. These are simple bolt-on pieces that are common.
The same changes can be achieved with expensive custom control arms on non-strut cars legally
now. This is a cost cutting measure only - no performance advantage.

Time limit for feedback on this issue is 60 days from the date of publication of this bulletin.
6. Ref: SP07-001: Clarification on allowable modifications for Wankel rotary engines

This issue arises from an inquiry where a competitor has built himself a ‘hybrid’ 13B rotary using
components that were never available for the model of car he runs. (RX7, 1st Generation). The
part was only available for the rotary powered Mazda pick-up truck. The issue is a matter of
whether this kind of construction qualifies as either a legal update/backdate, or a 4-point
assessment under internal engine modification (head swap), or if it falls beyond the scope of
Street Prepared category altogether. The component is a 4-port chamber that was never available
for any version of RX-7.

Time limit for feedback on this issue is 60 days from the date of publication of this bulletin.

finboy
12-05-2006, 10:26 PM
wes already posted it mang...

JoeT
12-05-2006, 10:28 PM
wes already posted it mang...

He did post it, but didn't ask for feedback, and locked the thread. Read the items in italics, please.

bbqman
12-06-2006, 01:26 AM
The thread was locked so that feedback be channeled the proper way via the email addresses in the text.
Consider yourselves lucky, we didnčt have this info posted yet.

gatherer
12-06-2006, 02:04 AM
Agreed, you want to offer feedback it's spelt out in black and white how to do so...

I think this is a great direction to see the CAC TAC moving in. hopefully after all feedback is received and decisions made we can see a rule book published much earlier in the year.

13inches
12-06-2006, 08:58 AM
What is the date of publication of the bulletin?

Just need to know how much time I have......to procrastinate.

JoeT
12-06-2006, 09:00 AM
What is the date of publication of the bulletin?

Just need to know how much time I have......to procrastinate.

October 20th

13inches
12-06-2006, 09:12 AM
October 20th

Thanks Joe, but I'm not so sure about that. That looks like the date that items G07-001 and M07-001 were submitted. There are other dates for the other items as well.

:confused:

gatherer
12-06-2006, 10:30 AM
it says the bulletins are to be published monthly online. this means that you have 60 days or 120 days (as the case may be) to get your feedback to Wes.

so look at the date Wes posted it. I think it would be safe to say that it's from that date/time.

JoeT
12-06-2006, 10:32 AM
it says the bulletins are to be published monthly online. this means that you have 60 days or 120 days (as the case may be) to get your feedback to Wes.

so look at the date Wes posted it. I think it would be safe to say that it's from that date/time.

I think Ryan is correct on this one. Each of the items posted has a "posting date" associated with it, along with a "respond by" time-line.

Agreed also is where to reply, it says either to the CAC TACRepresentative or the email listed above. I think if replying to the email in the bulletin, it's courteous to cc the local CAC TAC representative.

Good catch, Ryan.

gatherer
12-06-2006, 10:48 AM
jit clearly states that the time for submissions is from the publication date, not the submission date. there is of course a difference between the 2 dates.

the submission date is just the date at which the committee recieved the rules change request. Publication is when the CAC TAC rep posts up the rule change requests for the month (since they are published monthly)

So if the publication happens at the end of the month and I submit a rules change suggestion at the beginning of the month, that you feel strongly about and feel compelled to write to your CAC TAC rep about, would it be fair to subtract the 30 days between when I submitted it and when it was published at the end of the month? When other proposals which might of been submitted at the end of the month have more time on them for you to respond too.

The first proposal is the rule that will keep this process happening, and it clearly states how the process will work:

Once published, the feedback time limit for each issue is effective 60 days from the date of publication/issue of the ASN SoloSport Competition bulletin.

and

ASN SoloSport Competition bulletins are to be published monthly online either on the ASN Canada FIA website or via each ASN territory’s online venues to assure the widest distribution of the bulletin.

so the publication date is the date to keep in mind.

Remember this process is just starting out.

Cliffy
12-06-2006, 10:14 PM
Hi everyone,

just to clear things up WRT deadlines and dates:

feedback deadline = x days from the date of posting onto this forum. I now there are other dates in the bulletin but these were the dates when the inital proposal was received by CAC Tech Committee

I set up the "autoslalomtech" email to be accessible by all CAC Tech Committee members so please send your comments/suggestions there for official review.

thanks, -c.

Doug Phillips
12-27-2006, 04:51 PM
It was my understanding from the CASC-OR rules meeting in November that it was intended to have the 2007 CAC National rules decided and published in early January 2007.

Can someone clarify when the 2007 rules are to be issued?

If they are intended to be release shortly, the time allowed for comments would mean that all these items are for consideration in 2008.