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Travis 05-29-2017 11:17 AM

2017 Regional Results
 
I'm going to try something new for results this year.

2017 CASC-OR Autoslalom Results

The quick view of the file will likely open it as a text file in Google docs. If the file opened appears as raw HTML, then download the file and open it with a web browser as a webpage.


The main benefit of this is that it might be possible to get unofficial results up on the internet (not wifi) much faster - perhaps before I even leave the event! Posting multiple files to the CASC website is very clumsy, and editing files that have been posted is extremely slow and frustrating, and as a result I don't post the results until after I've had the time to verify them & clean them up so that I only have to post them once. Often that takes days if not weeks.

Possible issues to resolve:
-docs are not on the official site until ... who knows when. I'm leaning towards one single zip file uploaded at the end of the season.
-at what point do the results become official/finalized? It will still be days before I can clean up the results.

Cliff96 05-29-2017 01:46 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
agree, uploading results to the current site takes way too much time, was substantially easier when we had ftp access. (Updating them is no fun either as all the file names change each time.) It went from maybe a 5-10m job to setup and post results from a new event to 30-1hr with lots of fiddly fields to fill out. (Updates used to be all of 30s, now an easy 15-20m.)

Technically the results are official 30m after they are posted at the end of the day at the event - and don't think it's changed in the rule-book. Although if there were mistakes or issues I'd make the correction and re-upload.

Travis - if it's the best solution we could ftp them to my mostly unused webhost for in-season results (and put link to it on the auto-slalom section), and then only post the finals on the main site at year end - would that make life easier for you? (Dropbox used to have the ability to view html but they removed it a year or so ago, which would have been awesome for this type of thing.)

13inches 05-29-2017 02:26 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
I don't think the file(s) Travis posted are accessible without a Google account.

Something to consider, depending on your audience.

buurin 05-29-2017 03:08 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 13inches (Post 260525)
I don't think the file(s) Travis posted are accessible without a Google account.

Something to consider, depending on your audience.

Files on Google drive/docs/whatever can be easily made publicly accessible. I have posted many files for public consumption.

Upload, get a shareable link, "anyone with link can view", copy-paste that link into eg. forum. Easy peasy.

Travis 05-29-2017 03:28 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff96 (Post 260523)
Travis - if it's the best solution we could ftp them to my mostly unused webhost for in-season results (and put link to it on the auto-slalom section), and then only post the finals on the main site at year end - would that make life easier for you? (Dropbox used to have the ability to view html but they removed it a year or so ago, which would have been awesome for this type of thing.)

Google Drive is easier for me to use. I've been using it for other things too. My only gripe so far is not being able to quickly open the files since they get opened as txt instead of html. A webhost would solve that problem. I'll consider it.

The other technical problem is that the Wi-Fi router has to be disconnected from the laptop in order to tether the laptop to a phone so updates during an event would be a bit cumbersome.

Cliff you should really come and drive your car :)

Brutus 05-30-2017 10:52 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Can someone please post the results from Event 2 on the website.

Much appreciated.

Jud
#47

Travis 06-25-2017 03:15 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Event 3 results are up.

Snizzoop 06-25-2017 04:02 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
I see nothing.

*EDIT* Saw it...some cleaning up to do obviously. LOL @ the n00b in STS with a faster time than me.

Saj5DJ 06-25-2017 07:26 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
One of my runs missing too.

Saj5DJ 06-25-2017 07:38 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Know Quentin and Mike W put a run in too.

Daniel 06-25-2017 09:15 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
My first run is missing

42.3xx (I think?). Though I'm told I coned but it wasn't called in. :confused::D

My raw time is showing 44.9 (3rd run - rain). My slowest run. Slower even if my first two included a cone.

We can't continue with the software issues that we're having! I suggest if the software isn't sorted out by the next event that we need to consider another option. Maybe use club timing equipment?

Saj5DJ 06-25-2017 10:15 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Would also suggest nominating competent corner captains to man the radios. Some calls (or lack thereof) were pure crap.

No car numbers, no repeats when asked, cones out of place. Shits not hard...

Travis 06-25-2017 10:24 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Not to defend the pile of excrement, axware, but most of the issues you guys see at the moment are not timing errors, but registration problems, or problems related to integrating motorsportsreg with axware.

Normally our events go long enough for me to fix things up during the event, and also I spend about an hour after each event fixing up results so that you guys don't see this mess. The sooner you guys see the results, the uglier they are. That's especially true if it's raining while cleaning up because I hadn't even peaked at the results before posting them.

Daniel 06-25-2017 11:32 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis (Post 260959)
Not to defend the pile of excrement, axware, but most of the issues you guys see at the moment are not timing errors, but registration problems, or problems related to integrating motorsportsreg with axware.

Normally our events go long enough for me to fix things up during the event, and also I spend about an hour after each event fixing up results so that you guys don't see this mess. The sooner you guys see the results, the uglier they are. That's especially true if it's raining while cleaning up because I hadn't even peaked at the results before posting them.

Trav, more than anything I feel bad for you. It's already a lot of pressure on your shoulders and you shouldn't have to deal with constant software issues as well. Just wondering what/if more can be done to alleviate the issues and make things easier for you and the timing crew. Because in the end, without you guys we don't have a regional series and we (all) need to keep that in mind.

Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this Travis! We don't give you nearly enough credit!

Travis 06-26-2017 12:07 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Here's some things that would help:

Timing has some tasks to be done after each event that I don't normally have time to do promptly:Sort out results errors such as finding runs that were not properly assigned. Often this is easy stuff. Just install axware on your own computer & away you go.
Calculate season standings. This requires some sort of series registration list. Once that's done, axware can produce standings pretty easily.

Someone needs to look into motorsports reg to figure out how to limit registrations to valid class & super class combinations. Currently it's possible to select an invalid combination, such as S-STX instead of ST-STX. It takes 5-10 mins at the start of each event to sort that stuff out.

Someone who wants to be involved in the future should install the axti.me demo (or whatever you want to try) on the laptop & configure it to run with our beams & display*. I'm not willing to do that myself. It's a few hundred bucks so some due diligence should be done before making a proposal to buy it.

*You won't appreciate how bright the display is until you've turned it on indoors!

Saj5DJ 06-26-2017 12:19 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
I'll have a look into the MSReg side Trav. And ditto what Daniel said, efforts are very much appreciated.

Fentin_fury 06-26-2017 08:23 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saj5DJ (Post 260954)
Know Quentin and Mike W put a run in too.

we did - I have video!

Fentin_fury 06-26-2017 08:25 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel (Post 260961)
Trav, more than anything I feel bad for you. It's already a lot of pressure on your shoulders and you shouldn't have to deal with constant software issues as well. Just wondering what/if more can be done to alleviate the issues and make things easier for you and the timing crew. Because in the end, without you guys we don't have a regional series and we (all) need to keep that in mind.

Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this Travis! We don't give you nearly enough credit!

agreed!

MartynD 06-26-2017 01:24 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel (Post 260961)
Trav, more than anything I feel bad for you. It's already a lot of pressure on your shoulders and you shouldn't have to deal with constant software issues as well. Just wondering what/if more can be done to alleviate the issues and make things easier for you and the timing crew. Because in the end, without you guys we don't have a regional series and we (all) need to keep that in mind.

Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this Travis! We don't give you nearly enough credit!


Seconded

Snizzoop 06-27-2017 09:27 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis (Post 260963)
Someone needs to look into motorsports reg to figure out how to limit registrations to valid class & super class combinations. Currently it's possible to select an invalid combination, such as S-STX instead of ST-STX. It takes 5-10 mins at the start of each event to sort that stuff out.

Someone who wants to be involved in the future should install the axti.me demo (or whatever you want to try) on the laptop & configure it to run with our beams & display*. I'm not willing to do that myself. It's a few hundred bucks so some due diligence should be done before making a proposal to buy it.

We have enabled this for the TLMC events. I just looked, and it seems that we only had it enabled for the non-regional TLMC members at the last event. I've modified it for the next events so that non-regional TLMC and non-TLMC members will be forced to choose the correct class. I'll see what needs to be done to get it working for the regional competitors.

So far, I'm not impressed with the support from Axti.me. It's supposed to be easy, but we're having issues.

sjd 06-27-2017 12:13 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snizzoop (Post 260992)
So far, I'm not impressed with the support from Axti.me. It's supposed to be easy, but we're having issues.

We are. I had been pretty happy with Axtime until our last event when it would not allow us to class or register people like at our last event. We're lucky we use the Race America AC4 so that we get times electronically. So when it works, it works really well which it did most of last year with the exception of getting the wireless results working. It

Support has been a pretty big issue. The guy who created Axtime is in California and also has a startup that just got funded so that takes up all of his time. When I have been able to get his attention, the support is good. Just not what it needs to be and the documentation is really lacking.

Travis 07-18-2017 09:03 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
results for event 4 are up.
google drive

Snizzoop 07-19-2017 08:25 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Are the results from event 4 final...have they been tidied up?

Travis 07-19-2017 09:24 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Event 4 results haven't been tidied up yet. Neither has event 3, really :rolleyes:

Snizzoop 07-19-2017 09:56 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Sorry, I actually meant event 3.

buurin 07-20-2017 07:33 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
We are not alone:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Autocross/c...e_live_timing/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis (Post 260963)
Someone who wants to be involved in the future should install the axti.me demo (or whatever you want to try) on the laptop & configure it to run with our beams & display*. I'm not willing to do that myself. It's a few hundred bucks so some due diligence should be done before making a proposal to buy it.

*You won't appreciate how bright the display is until you've turned it on indoors!

The programmer in me wants to get another project under my belt! :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjd (Post 260998)
We are. I had been pretty happy with Axtime until our last event when it would not allow us to class or register people like at our last event. We're lucky we use the Race America AC4 so that we get times electronically. So when it works, it works really well which it did most of last year with the exception of getting the wireless results working. It

Support has been a pretty big issue. The guy who created Axtime is in California and also has a startup that just got funded so that takes up all of his time. When I have been able to get his attention, the support is good. Just not what it needs to be and the documentation is really lacking.

Maybe it's time we look at some fully open-source solutions as well?

So far I've seen two:
fsTimer(.org) is custom developed for a charity human race and is too far off from our needs.

Then there's this: https://github.com/tahosa/openracer-python
Runs on Python, Django, node.js, the first two I'm currently taking a course on.
However there is no code to talk to any timing gears as far as I can see.

Cliff96 07-21-2017 01:01 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by buurin (Post 261290)
Maybe it's time we look at some fully open-source solutions as well?
...
Then there's this: https://github.com/tahosa/openracer-python
Runs on Python, Django, node.js, the first two I'm currently taking a course on.
However there is no code to talk to any timing gears as far as I can see.

There is also a guy out west - Dina pointed me to his setup when I was still running the series and looking after the timing gear - Murray Peterson who wrote a timing system, mjtiming - according to my emails from the time, but can't seem to find them on the web anymore - looks like shaw retired the hosting, and a search doesn't find anything current.

The problem, is really maintenance/updates/support.

Open source would be nice, but there needs to be enough of a community to support it - with all the different timing solutions over the years, they start out great and then the author looses interest (either in advancing the software to run on current hardware, or they don't have the time, or there are too many features added in without a re-write and things get buggy - see axware a year after axtime.me was released.) I honestly think there isn't enough money to be made to make it someone's full time job (dev at the start, but support later once it's feature complete), which is what it needs to do it right. I'd think the best option for making a difference is to offer to help with someone's project that has already started or is in use already.

The big problem is testing, as evidenced by my axware experience - you can have the gear all setup in the basement, and it will be flawless, but once you start running cars, and errors happen - that are hard to reproduce, they can really hurt and take away from the event, and are the most important to avoid, so not an easy place to learn when you have 50-100 people standing around when a glitch happens.

But don't let all that discourage you, talking to the hardware isn't that complicated, I got some stuff running on an arduino a few moons ago. Look for the race america documentation, it's all there for their displays and timing units. I don't know if you can wireshark a serial connection, but the communication protocols aren't complicated, and shouldn't take much effort to reverse what isn't already documented. The wireless links use zigbee radio's which are open source, so if you wanted to see that side (but doubt it'd be needed) I think it'd be possible too.

suzukablue 07-22-2017 06:43 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Murray pinged me asking to post this link - he's waiting for someone to approve his request to join the forum - its for his software:

http://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bye...3o2dmxncWdWTEU

Travis 08-21-2017 07:56 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Updated with results from events 5 & 6.

Updated with Pax and Class points - probably FUBAR at this point.
The files are called "membership*" you'll figure it out.

Please check the following:
-Val's points went in to the right class for each event? He drives so many different cars that he has the unique honour of having 2 regional entries in the membership list. What class are you in this year, Val? I'm going to delete the other one.
-people's class is right?
-people's car description is right?
-missing regional entries?

buurin 08-22-2017 12:23 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
I now have a crude script that the beams can talk to; the protocol save for one quirk is as documented. Next is figure out how to drive the screen and Live Results. By the way, I can't get Live Results (I downloaded straight from axtime) to run properly on my Linux laptop.

And apparently the $700 Axtime software wants to take beam data and drive the screens all from one serial port. For that a custom splitter is required, although it's not hard to rig up. Still, takes points away from Axtime.

And I'm (and Murray?) not the only one who toyed with the idea of rolling our own timing software. Some clubs in the States did this too and from my googling even willing to give it away, but those mentions are from a few years ago and no longer current.

sjd 08-22-2017 01:31 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis (Post 261775)
Updated with results from events 5 & 6.

Updated with Pax and Class points - probably FUBAR at this point.
The files are called "membership*" you'll figure it out.

Please check the following:
-Val's points went in to the right class for each event? He drives so many different cars that he has the unique honour of having 2 regional entries in the membership list. What class are you in this year, Val? I'm going to delete the other one.
-people's class is right?
-people's car description is right?
-missing regional entries?

Both Keegan and I series registered this year and we are both missing.

Snizzoop 08-22-2017 09:19 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Also series registered and not showing.

suzukablue 08-22-2017 11:39 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by buurin (Post 261779)
And I'm (and Murray?) not the only one who toyed with the idea of rolling our own timing software. Some clubs in the States did this too and from my googling even willing to give it away, but those mentions are from a few years ago and no longer current.

Posting for Murray, he's waiting for someone to approve his request to join the forum:

My software is working, fully supported, and currently in use by at least a dozen clubs. Pleasse sign up to the SASC forum (http://forums.sascsolo.com/index.php?topic=57.0) if you want to discuss the software and/or hardware.

Or look me up on Facebook (Murray Peterson).

Ziploc 08-22-2017 04:30 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Oh. I thought that overall pax points counted toward overall regardless of class. Is that not the case?

Snizzoop 08-22-2017 04:52 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziploc (Post 261786)
Oh. I thought that overall pax points counted toward overall regardless of class. Is that not the case?

It should.

notthesnail 08-22-2017 05:41 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snizzoop (Post 261781)
Also series registered and not showing.

Same here.

Lynam55 08-22-2017 08:06 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Weird no matter what I try I can't find this "membership" with this year's overall results. :o

Daniel 08-22-2017 10:00 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
I'm in there and everything looks alright (I think) except for event 3. I'm missing my third run, which I'm pretty sure was my best. No idea what the time was though.

Interesting season!

"Congrats to __________ for the 2017 overall win...um...best we can tell." Yikes! lol

buurin 08-22-2017 10:15 PM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by suzukablue (Post 261782)
Posting for Murray, he's waiting for someone to approve his request to join the forum:

My software is working, fully supported, and currently in use by at least a dozen clubs. Pleasse sign up to the SASC forum (http://forums.sascsolo.com/index.php?topic=57.0) if you want to discuss the software and/or hardware.

Or look me up on Facebook (Murray Peterson).

And interesting too. I played with it and put my findings in a new thread instead of clogging up this one. So that leaves the question, who should lead the conversation?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynam55 (Post 261790)
Weird no matter what I try I can't find this "membership" with this year's overall results. :o

It is among the bunch of files in the folder Travis posted, with "membership" in the file's name. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel (Post 261792)
I'm in there and everything looks alright (I think) except for event 3. I'm missing my third run, which I'm pretty sure was my best. No idea what the time was though.

Interesting season!

"Congrats to __________ for the 2017 overall win...um...best we can tell." Yikes! lol

You ran a red BRZ under your own regional number? If I saw the records correct, your third run was not the fastest and something was off. I'll double check with Travis.

Daniel 08-23-2017 12:09 AM

Re: 2017 Regional Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by buurin (Post 261794)
You ran a red BRZ under your own regional number? If I saw the records correct, your third run was not the fastest and something was off. I'll double check with Travis.

I registered to run Martyn's blue brz but switched to sjd's mx5 (STR) before the event. #94, yes. I'm fairly certain I posted a good, clean run that day. That day is a blur...


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