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Time Attack Director 09-15-2017 02:38 PM

Toyo Tires Announcement and Sizing Poll
 
Ontario Time Attack is pleased to announce that we are opening up options for "Street Tire" equipped cars in 2018 by allowing the Toyo R-888-R to be used as a Zero-PIP option next year. Toyo Canada places it's 2018 R-Compound order the first week of October so this poll will be to help them know what sizes we will need.

If you want to be sure that you'll have the size you need, you can place your order now with Braidan Tire or other club preferred TOYO MOTORSPORTS DEALERS for spring delivery. OTA competitors can get up to 40% off your purchase by registering for Team Toyo at http://www.toyotires.ca/racing-program.

Please select one of the first three options, and your preferred tire size.

Stephen Deneka

Snizzoop 09-15-2017 03:41 PM

Re: Toyo Tires Announcement and Sizing Poll
 
I'd like a set of 225/45-13.

EDIT - Or even a 225/45-15

Grant Galloway 09-15-2017 04:06 PM

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245/40/17 and 225/45/17

Grant Galloway 09-15-2017 04:11 PM

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So we are going to allow an R888R a tire that is classified currently an R compound to be run as a street tire, but we will penalize someone who wants to run any other R compound 5 pips??

This essentially makes everyone have to run this tire no??

Grant

nissannx 09-15-2017 04:22 PM

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225/45/15 - tire preference the R1R, RR, and RA1. Thank you!

Will the RA-1 be allowed the same privilege? Will there be any change in where the RR is classed?

Slowpoke 09-15-2017 04:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant Galloway (Post 262124)
So we are going to allow an R888R a tire that is classified currently an R compound to be run as a street tire, but we will penalize someone who wants to run any other R compound 5 pips??

This essentially makes everyone have to run this tire no??

Absolutely not! This will only be for the standard "GG" compound we receive in Canada (not the GGG or SG.) We have a good amount of experience now with both the RE-71R, RS4 and the R888R and are expecting this to just add more size options for competitors and balance performance with a longer lasting tire than the RE-71R. The uber street tires don't have as broad a range of sizes available in Canada. The R888R fills in some gaps in the small diameter and ultra wide sizes. NASA already classifies the R888 with the Uber 200TW streets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nissannx
Will the RA-1 be allowed the same privilege? Will there be any change in where the RR is classed?

Maybe, we need to discuss that more. Hence why I'm asking for RR vs Hoosier performance data from the Racing group.

scorcherjf 09-15-2017 06:02 PM

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Great change imo. Might as well allow the Nitto NT01 as well since it's supposedly the same GG compound as the R888/R888R and (from my experience as well as anecdotal data from others) post similar grip levels and wear.

It was pretty apparent that the "modern" R-comps were running rings around the older NT01/R888 such as the Hankook TD's. At least this way we can have an official "spec" street tire rather than the unofficial spec RE71R (or whatever flavor of the year cheater street tire) which only last a few days anyway.

Dave Barker 09-15-2017 10:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant Galloway (Post 262124)
So we are going to allow an R888R a tire that is classified currently an R compound to be run as a street tire, but we will penalize someone who wants to run any other R compound 5 pips??

This essentially makes everyone have to run this tire no??

Grant


A long time ago, the series had no tire rules and essentially if you didn't run Hoosiers, you couldn't win.

The classification of "street" tires vs "R" compounds vs "Premium R compounds" or Ubers as they became known, was based on the relative differences between lap times of these different tires. Certainly a lot of competitors chose to drive their cars to the track on the tires they wanted to compete on, so the tire rules effectively separating the classes by tire types and knowing we had the linear type classification system allowed anyone to compete with whatever tire they wanted.

As we all know the SCCA requirements concerning tread wear ratings have since then basically fallen apart. The Hankook RS3 which used to have a 140 UTQC rating suddenly became a 200 rated tire with no change to the actual tire itself. Now the RE 71-R, Rival S and to some extent Hankook RS4 all claim to be 200 tread wear tires but wear very much faster that most people would expect a 200 tread wear tire to wear. They also go a lot faster than expected of a 200 tread wear tire.

It is hard to get totally accurate comparisons between tires but it seems that the newer "cheater" tires are basically on par with older model 100 tread wear rated tires including the Toyo RA-1, Toyo 888 and Nitto NT01. The newer Toyo 888R may be a bit faster than these 3 but also comes in a much wider variety of sizes. Did I mention that Toyo also sponsors our series?

Personally, I support allowing special classification of the Toyo 888R tire as a street tire as it appears to be affordable, comes in a huge variety of sizes and certainly doesn't blow away the other "street" tire competition. Grant, I don't think we would consider it a "spec" tire, but I really like the fact that it comes in my sizes which none of the street cheater tires do.

BTW, Stephen, I will likely need 2 sets of 295/30-18s if the price is reasonable.

Saj5DJ 09-15-2017 11:09 PM

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RS4 wears harder than an RS3. Which wore pretty damn well. 28 hrs on our current Chumpcar set and there's about 50% left.

Actually can't thing of anything that would last longer on track. Certainly not a 'normal' non 200TW street which would melt, chunk and die.

Point's well made on the RE71s and Rival-S though. Butter.

Edit: To stay on topic. Toyo makes the wider 15's (in a reasonable overall dia: 225/45/15, 245/40/15), no? If I make it back, I'd try them out in that size (the R888R or RR). Quick glance at your top 30 finishers this season, I see 15 cars that could utilize either of the above sizes better than 205/50/15.

3wheeler 09-16-2017 09:56 AM

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Might as well give the 2018 overall trophy to Chris P. now then. :)

I think it's a bad move making a change like this when the series is in the middle of a resurgence. Even though you think you're doing the right thing, there will be people who don't think so, and it's those people you stand to lose.

The focus should be on promoting the series, not fixing something that isn't broken.

Regardless, I hope I'm proved wrong as it's nice to see OTA flourish!

S1motorsports 09-16-2017 10:05 AM

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255/40r17 for me! can we confirm this rule change 100% so I can begin to set my car up around this rule change

Grant Galloway 09-16-2017 10:27 AM

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I wouldn't consider the RS4 a cheater tire! They seem to wear like hockey pucks, I still have enough tire for next year.. But if the R888R are faster I will simply open my wallet and run them instead!

If lap times are even a half second a lap quicker people that have the resources will slap them on!

Maybe I will try the R888R on the Civic Type R for an event..

Yellow Viggen 09-16-2017 02:14 PM

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I selected 205/50/15 since this is the size of my worn RE71Rs and I'm ready to try something different. I would have selected 225/40/15 if they were listed but they weren't.
Is there a way to extend the size selection to 225/45/15 and 225/40/15?
The price would likely be much better than RS4s I'm looking at now.

Gwoody27 09-16-2017 02:17 PM

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My RE71Rs lasted a full season + in 2016 and will do so again in 2017. I accept the size restriction argument and it is great to support our long term sponsor.

Now the question is price. I was able to get my new 255/40/17; RE71Rs mounted for $975 at Tires 23. I am waiting to see what the Toyo pricing will be before switching.

Saj5DJ 09-16-2017 05:19 PM

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If there's no wider 15's available in R888R, you're running a severe chance of greatly disadvantaging the smaller cars by having the rules favor that tire.


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