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Old 09-20-2017, 12:57 PM
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Re: Toyo Tires Announcement and Sizing Poll

Originally Posted by Dave Barker View Post
The problem with doing this is that the baseline is constantly evolving and rather than keeping up, we will always be behind. Right now the RS4 and V720 are getting close to the RE-71R and even BFG has introduced the Rival S 1.5. in (again) limited sizes. Given the fact that the performance of the "cheater" streets and 100 tread wear R comps is now about the same they should run in the same class. It is much easier to bring the 888R down a class then constantly try to adjust for all the other tire manufacturers new upgrades.

As for my C5Z, none of the "cheater" streets fits all that well and they are all significantly more money to purchase new than 888s.

The point is, no one is suggesting that the 888R should become a spec tire and few have suggested it is significantly faster than any of the "cheater" streets, but it is available in a wider variety of sizes. If the 888R doesn't fit your car, I bet there is an RE-71R (or other 200 tread wear tire) that does. If they perform the same, they should compete against each other. Making the 888R a "street" tire by our rules is giving people more choices.
I'm more replying to this as a philosophical 'wanting to chat about tires' than any objection to proposal here, so please all take as such

The 1.5 change for the Rival S only effected the construction of the smaller 3-rib sizes to bring it more in line with the stiffness of the larger 4-ribs. Your vette sizes are unaffected and still available per the link I posted there earlier in sizes that are ideal. If I had your car, I'd have just finished my third season on them. I can promise you all the autocross competitors just have and you have the luxury they don't of running square 315/30/18s (they have to keep stock wheel width in AS and run 275/315 on C5Z06's); if you're not keeping up on this stuff... well, you're going to have a hard time being competitive.

I wouldn't say the RS4 is close in intent to the Rival-S, RE71R and V720. It lasts eons longer, is not as fast and takes heat WAY better.

Is it as quick than a R888 or NT01? Well, there's always going to be a best of breed and the street tires are the ones that are getting development resources by the tire companies. Is it faster than Hankook's own TD? Probably not. Both are treaded R-Comps. I do remember a competitor asking here for the Maxxis RC-1 to be rated as a +5 based on pace, fitment options and durability; he was shot down because 'no, that's a non treaded premium R, it's a +10". The fact it was the slowest of it's category didn't matter.

Can I spend less pips on Koni Yellow shocks vs. Penskes? After all, they're not as fast and are certainly cheaper!

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