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View Poll Results: How likely is your OTA entry, and What Tire Size do you prefer?
I am unlikely to compete in OTA next year, but below is my preferred size 1 3.33%
I may compete in OTA next year, not sure, but below is my preferred size 8 26.67%
Oh yeah, I'm competing in OTA next year! Below is my preferred size 18 60.00%
185/60R16 0 0%
205/60R13 0 0%
185/60R14 0 0%
195/50R16 0 0%
195/55R15 0 0%
205/50R15 3 10.00%
225/50R15 1 3.33%
235/50R15 0 0%
195/50R16 0 0%
205/45R16 0 0%
205/50R16 1 3.33%
205/55R16 0 0%
225/45R16 2 6.67%
245/45R16 0 0%
205/40R17 0 0%
205/45R17 0 0%
215/45R17 0 0%
225/45R17 2 6.67%
235/40R17 2 6.67%
235/45R17 0 0%
255/40R17 4 13.33%
225/40R18 1 3.33%
235/40R18 0 0%
245/40R18 1 3.33%
255/35R18 1 3.33%
265/35R18 4 13.33%
275/35R18 2 6.67%
295/30R18 3 10.00%
315/30R18 1 3.33%
335/30R18 0 0%
235/35R19 0 0%
265/30R19 0 0%
295/30R19 2 6.67%
305/30R19 1 3.33%
325/30R19 1 3.33%
345/30R19 0 0%
285/30R20 1 3.33%
285/35R20 0 0%
315/30R20 1 3.33%
Another size not in this list, posted below. 8 26.67%
N/A 0 0%
N/A 0 0%
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:38 PM
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Toyo Tires Announcement and Sizing Poll

Ontario Time Attack is pleased to announce that we are opening up options for "Street Tire" equipped cars in 2018 by allowing the Toyo R-888-R to be used as a Zero-PIP option next year. Toyo Canada places it's 2018 R-Compound order the first week of October so this poll will be to help them know what sizes we will need.

If you want to be sure that you'll have the size you need, you can place your order now with Braidan Tire or other club preferred TOYO MOTORSPORTS DEALERS for spring delivery. OTA competitors can get up to 40% off your purchase by registering for Team Toyo at http://www.toyotires.ca/racing-program.

Please select one of the first three options, and your preferred tire size.

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Old 09-15-2017, 03:41 PM
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Re: Toyo Tires Announcement and Sizing Poll

I'd like a set of 225/45-13.

EDIT - Or even a 225/45-15
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Old 09-15-2017, 04:06 PM
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245/40/17 and 225/45/17
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Old 09-15-2017, 04:11 PM
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Re: Toyo Tires Announcement and Sizing Poll

So we are going to allow an R888R a tire that is classified currently an R compound to be run as a street tire, but we will penalize someone who wants to run any other R compound 5 pips??

This essentially makes everyone have to run this tire no??

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Old 09-15-2017, 04:22 PM
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225/45/15 - tire preference the R1R, RR, and RA1. Thank you!

Will the RA-1 be allowed the same privilege? Will there be any change in where the RR is classed?
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Old 09-15-2017, 04:49 PM
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So we are going to allow an R888R a tire that is classified currently an R compound to be run as a street tire, but we will penalize someone who wants to run any other R compound 5 pips??

This essentially makes everyone have to run this tire no??
Absolutely not! This will only be for the standard "GG" compound we receive in Canada (not the GGG or SG.) We have a good amount of experience now with both the RE-71R, RS4 and the R888R and are expecting this to just add more size options for competitors and balance performance with a longer lasting tire than the RE-71R. The uber street tires don't have as broad a range of sizes available in Canada. The R888R fills in some gaps in the small diameter and ultra wide sizes. NASA already classifies the R888 with the Uber 200TW streets.

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Will the RA-1 be allowed the same privilege? Will there be any change in where the RR is classed?
Maybe, we need to discuss that more. Hence why I'm asking for RR vs Hoosier performance data from the Racing group.
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Old 09-15-2017, 06:02 PM
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Great change imo. Might as well allow the Nitto NT01 as well since it's supposedly the same GG compound as the R888/R888R and (from my experience as well as anecdotal data from others) post similar grip levels and wear.

It was pretty apparent that the "modern" R-comps were running rings around the older NT01/R888 such as the Hankook TD's. At least this way we can have an official "spec" street tire rather than the unofficial spec RE71R (or whatever flavor of the year cheater street tire) which only last a few days anyway.
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Old 09-15-2017, 10:20 PM
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So we are going to allow an R888R a tire that is classified currently an R compound to be run as a street tire, but we will penalize someone who wants to run any other R compound 5 pips??

This essentially makes everyone have to run this tire no??

Grant

A long time ago, the series had no tire rules and essentially if you didn't run Hoosiers, you couldn't win.

The classification of "street" tires vs "R" compounds vs "Premium R compounds" or Ubers as they became known, was based on the relative differences between lap times of these different tires. Certainly a lot of competitors chose to drive their cars to the track on the tires they wanted to compete on, so the tire rules effectively separating the classes by tire types and knowing we had the linear type classification system allowed anyone to compete with whatever tire they wanted.

As we all know the SCCA requirements concerning tread wear ratings have since then basically fallen apart. The Hankook RS3 which used to have a 140 UTQC rating suddenly became a 200 rated tire with no change to the actual tire itself. Now the RE 71-R, Rival S and to some extent Hankook RS4 all claim to be 200 tread wear tires but wear very much faster that most people would expect a 200 tread wear tire to wear. They also go a lot faster than expected of a 200 tread wear tire.

It is hard to get totally accurate comparisons between tires but it seems that the newer "cheater" tires are basically on par with older model 100 tread wear rated tires including the Toyo RA-1, Toyo 888 and Nitto NT01. The newer Toyo 888R may be a bit faster than these 3 but also comes in a much wider variety of sizes. Did I mention that Toyo also sponsors our series?

Personally, I support allowing special classification of the Toyo 888R tire as a street tire as it appears to be affordable, comes in a huge variety of sizes and certainly doesn't blow away the other "street" tire competition. Grant, I don't think we would consider it a "spec" tire, but I really like the fact that it comes in my sizes which none of the street cheater tires do.

BTW, Stephen, I will likely need 2 sets of 295/30-18s if the price is reasonable.
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RS4 wears harder than an RS3. Which wore pretty damn well. 28 hrs on our current Chumpcar set and there's about 50% left.

Actually can't thing of anything that would last longer on track. Certainly not a 'normal' non 200TW street which would melt, chunk and die.

Point's well made on the RE71s and Rival-S though. Butter.

Edit: To stay on topic. Toyo makes the wider 15's (in a reasonable overall dia: 225/45/15, 245/40/15), no? If I make it back, I'd try them out in that size (the R888R or RR). Quick glance at your top 30 finishers this season, I see 15 cars that could utilize either of the above sizes better than 205/50/15.
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:09 PM
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Yet another girly-car driver commenting....

My preferred size is 225-45-15 which is currently not availability in the 888 or the 888R. I'd happily buy a set from Toyo if they expand the line to that size.

225-45-15 is available in the venerable RA-1 - if that tire is rated at zero PiPs in 2018, that's what I'm buying - predictable, they'll easily last the whole season and they just get faster as they wear down. And sends business to our sponsor.
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Old 09-23-2017, 10:53 AM
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Re: Toyo Tires Announcement and Sizing Poll

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Ontario Time Attack is pleased to announce that we are opening up options for "Street Tire" equipped cars in 2018 by allowing the Toyo R-888-R to be used as a Zero-PIP option next year. Toyo Canada places it's 2018 R-Compound order the first week of October so this poll will be to help them know what sizes we will need.

If you want to be sure that you'll have the size you need, you can place your order now with Braidan Tire or other club preferred TOYO MOTORSPORTS DEALERS for spring delivery. OTA competitors can get up to 40% off your purchase by registering for Team Toyo at http://www.toyotires.ca/racing-program.

Please select one of the first three options, and your preferred tire size.

Stephen Deneka
It sounds to me like a decision that effects all competitors has already been made and now we're being asked to place an order for our tires.

It's not that I disagree that coming up with a potential solution to create what is believed to provide a leveler playing field, it appears that an unofficial 'spec' tire has been announced or maybe not announced. Which is it?

If we could all run the same spec tire it simplifies one more preparation decision, assuming sufficient tire size and inventory to cover all returning competitors.

Hopefully these new OTA rules do not limit where a competitor can purchase their tires. I don't believe we should be allowing any corporate sponsor to dictate which independent retailer we purchase their product from.

Now as for the size requirement survey, it would be good if we could indicate how many tires of a specific size that we intend to use in 2018.

PS: I got a chuckle out of comments referring to how tires weren't restricted in the ''old day". Tire discussions and restrictions have been a hot topic since hill-climbs of the early 60's. Every 5 to 10 years the topic surfaces again.
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Re: Toyo Tires Announcement and Sizing Poll

I get about 1.5 seasons on RE71R vs 2 seasons on R-S3, before cording. I hope the 888, 888R aren't the spec tire for 2018, since two sets of tires per season would discourage me from competing.

OTA has been using 5 PIPs between tire classes, but we could use some other figure such as + 2.5 PIPs for the 888, 888R, RE-71R, etc (e.g. Street Premium?). This would recognize that the new street tires are similar to some R compound tires, and also help Toyo the sponsor sell more tires.

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OTA has been using 5 PIPs between tire classes, but we could use some other figure such as + 2.5 PIPs for the 888, 888R, RE-71R, etc (e.g. Street Premium?). This would recognize that the new street tires are similar to some R compound tires, and also help Toyo the sponsor sell more tires.

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It sounds to me like a decision that effects all competitors has already been made and now we're being asked to place an order for our tires.
Yes a decision has been made, no to the latter. All three clubs that run OTA were in favour of the R888R rule change, and that comes along with our first sponsorship contract for 2018.

The poll is a market survey. A long time sponsor wants to know what size tires our competitors use. Canada is a small market and no one likes buying two year old competition tires regardless of them being stored in a temperature controlled warehouse. Ideal for them is that they run out of every size they bring in a the end of the competition year and the market has zero demand until spring. That's near impossible, but that's their target. So they asked for a poll of what sizes people use. There isn't much, if any, exchange of inventory between the U.S. and Canada. (My guess, they don't like paying import duties twice since it's a competitively priced market.)

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It's not that I disagree that coming up with a potential solution to create what is believed to provide a leveler playing field, it appears that an unofficial 'spec' tire has been announced or maybe not announced. Which is it?
You have another option to purchase for street tire class that . That's the opposite of a spec tire.

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Hopefully these new OTA rules do not limit where a competitor can purchase their tires. I don't believe we should be allowing any corporate sponsor to dictate which independent retailer we purchase their product from.
The rules do not say which vendor you have to use. Participation in a Contingency benefit program may require you to purchase from a Canadian vendor. For example, Toyo USA gives this series nothing, so Toyo Tires Canada is not going to give you a free set of tires at the end of the year if your preferred vendor is Tire Rack.

Braidan Tire offers some coupons for purchase at their store, but they won't give you money to buy products that they sell from their competitors instead of them.

Make sense? Agreeable I hope.

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Now as for the size requirement survey, it would be good if we could indicate how many tires of a specific size that we intend to use in 2018.
Go ahead. That's what this thread is for.
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