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Old 06-17-2015, 01:07 AM
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Events 1/2 - Results posted - St.Lac/MCO - Picton Airport

The first two events of the 2015 Mobil1 Championship Series presented by Toyo Tires took place this past weekend (June 12th and 13th) at the airfield in Picton, Ontario.

Saturday featured the use of all three runways travelling counter clockwise, and was a challenging and rewarding course. Many comments were heard that this was the best and most challenging course in the province within recent memory for both novices and veterans alike - you couldn't just look ahead to see the course, you actually needed to remember it. Maybe not so unusually, more people went off course Saturday (143) then hit cones (128). It certainly didn't disappoint the 109 competitors who made the trip and took in 6 runs each over the day.

Congratulations to Mike A who was at the top of both the PAX and FTD list on Saturday. Daniel F and Peter W were the runners up on the index, while Ralf K and Naresh D rounded out the top three in raw time.


On Sunday a booking conflict at the venue resulted in a later then normal access to the runway - 11:30. In a little over three and a half hours 72 competitors took in more of a traditional Picton style course that was open and flowing if you connected the elements correctly. Unfortunately the final run group had to deal with some rain in their second heat, which slowed down the course for their final three runs, which gave their first two runs even greater importance. As a group both the marshals and timers had a more relaxing day, with drivers hitting only 131 cones over 100 runs (vs. 200 on 128 runs Saturday), with only 41 DNF's.

Congratulations again to Mike A, who managed to top the FTD list with only 2 runs. Barry G and Daniel F were runners up on raw time. Barry G bested the PAX index list, Peter W and Steven D rounded out the top three.

See the full set of results here (sorry no direct links to them, as the URLs change if I have to update them.)

If you happen to see any issue with the results, send me a pm or an email, and I'll look into it.

Join us July 19th for the third event of the series at the Barrie Molson Centre. Registration for this, and the remaining events will be open shortly: casc.motorsportreg.com
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:19 AM
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Re: Events 1/2 - Results posted - St.Lac/MCO - Picton Airport

What does the "m" mean beside the standings?
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Old 06-17-2015, 09:09 AM
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Re: Events 1/2 - Results posted - St.Lac/MCO - Picton Airport

hmm... something doesn't add up, literally

for event #2 , the multiplication of the pax modifier over raw time was computed incorrectly for some people , with no apparent pattern.

i did the first 20 and here's a picture, those in yellow are the corrected values, and the table at the bottom is the re-organized order.
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hmm... something doesn't add up, literally

for event #2 , the multiplication of the pax modifier over raw time was computed incorrectly for some people , with no apparent pattern.

i did the first 20 and here's a picture, those in yellow are the corrected values, and the table at the bottom is the re-organized order.
Odd. Maybe the PAX values for certain classes reverted back to last year's?
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:03 PM
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Odd. Maybe the PAX values for certain classes reverted back to last year's?
no, because people in same class got dinked differently. My time was mis multiplied while val's was done correct.

event 1 though is clean, I double checked.
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Old 06-17-2015, 06:28 PM
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Odd indeed. Well spotted Serge, will check it out.
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Old 06-17-2015, 08:19 PM
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no, because people in same class got dinked differently. My time was mis multiplied while val's was done correct.

event 1 though is clean, I double checked.
Serge good eye - can you run a quick check for me using the numbers below?

By my quick look, it seems like classes that got harder (pax increased from 2014-2015, STX, SMF, FSP, FM) had errors, but those that stayed the same, or decreased were ok - still need to run the numbers to check though, and still doesn't explain why only some CS had the correct pax applied (and I thought I've seen all the axware bugs in this version by now... guess you're supposed to learn something everyday, I guess.) The (slightly) good news is that by resetting the class list (from 2015 to 2015) and regenerating the results, they match your version above. Still would like to figure out what happened so I can look for it moving forward (before the results go up.)



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	2014	2015	diff	
SS	0.843	0.835	-0.008	Super Street
AS	0.833	0.829	-0.004	A Street
BS	0.831	0.826	-0.005	B Street
CS	0.821	0.814	-0.007	C Street
DS	0.815	0.812	-0.003	D Street
ES	0.814	0.808	-0.006	E Street
FS	0.818	0.81	-0.008	F Street
GS	0.806	0.806	0	G Street
HS	0.797	0.796	-0.001	H Street
SSR	0.86	0.859	-0.001	Super Street R
STF	0.801	0.801	0	Street Touring FWD
STS	0.829	0.828	-0.001	Street Touring S
STR	0.838	0.838	0	Street Touring R
STX	0.827	0.831	0.004	Street Touring X
STU	0.846	0.844	-0.002	Street Touring U
SM	0.87	0.87	0	Street Modified
SMF	0.851	0.853	0.002	Street Modified F
SSM	0.882	0.882	0	Super Street Modifie
SSP	0.872	0.871	-0.001	S Street Prepared
ASP	0.866	0.865	-0.001	A Street Prepared
BSP	0.863	0.863	0	B Street Prepared
CSP	0.861	0.861	0	C Street Prepared
DSP	0.855	0.854	-0.001	D Street Prepared
ESP	0.849	0.849	0	E Street Prepared
FSP	0.839	0.84	0.001	F Street Prepared
XP	0.906	0.905	-0.001	X Prepared
BP	0.881	0.881	0	B Prepared
CP	0.864	0.864	0	C Prepared
DP	0.879	0.879	0	D Prepared
EP	0.876	0.874	-0.002	E Prepared
FP	0.883	0.88	-0.003	F Prepared
AM	1	1	0	A Modified
BM	0.965	0.964	-0.001	B Modified
CM	0.922	0.919	-0.003	C Modified
DM	0.92	0.918	-0.002	D Modified
EM	0.926	0.922	-0.004	E Modified
FM	0.924	0.926	0.002	F Modified
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:08 PM
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Re: Events 1/2 - Results posted - St.Lac/MCO - Picton Airport

Okay so yeah, you guys were right, the incorrect entries were in fact calculated by the 2014 pax.

but why only some people within the same class?

One thing I'd like to mention is that in Jamie's photos in the video thread, we see Andrew L and myself scored under 2014 pax. So this means that the error already existed during the actual event.

and Day 1 was problem free.

sooOooooOoo.... i dunno?

i hope you'll be able to figure it out. Maybe it was a freak occuruance? Maybe multiple database sampling during "event creation"

i don't know the software so can't comment further.
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Old 06-20-2015, 01:11 AM
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Re: Events 1/2 - Results posted - St.Lac/MCO - Picton Airport

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i don't know the software so can't comment further.
At least the math makes sense. I can explain some, but not all.

The pax values are stored in a separate file, and are loaded into axware. At the events they were the 2014 versions, I had meant to update it at/during the event, but things were running so smoothly that it slipped my mind. So this is why you saw the calculations that way at the event.

I updated/corrected the pax factors before generating the results. Clearly it worked for event 1, but not entirely for event two. It should be impossible for the calculations to only be updated for some people in a class. So my process was to change the pax factor file, and then re-accept all the timing staging data, so that the pax run times are re-calculated. (In theory you could only re-accept some of the runs, but it would be tedious, and you would need to re-accept each one individually - although I may be somewhat crazy, I'm not nearly that crazy.)

TL: DR, can't explain how/why it happened, but it's fixed now.
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