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View Poll Results: How likely is your OTA entry, and What Tire Size do you prefer?
I am unlikely to compete in OTA next year, but below is my preferred size 1 3.33%
I may compete in OTA next year, not sure, but below is my preferred size 8 26.67%
Oh yeah, I'm competing in OTA next year! Below is my preferred size 18 60.00%
185/60R16 0 0%
205/60R13 0 0%
185/60R14 0 0%
195/50R16 0 0%
195/55R15 0 0%
205/50R15 3 10.00%
225/50R15 1 3.33%
235/50R15 0 0%
195/50R16 0 0%
205/45R16 0 0%
205/50R16 1 3.33%
205/55R16 0 0%
225/45R16 2 6.67%
245/45R16 0 0%
205/40R17 0 0%
205/45R17 0 0%
215/45R17 0 0%
225/45R17 2 6.67%
235/40R17 2 6.67%
235/45R17 0 0%
255/40R17 4 13.33%
225/40R18 1 3.33%
235/40R18 0 0%
245/40R18 1 3.33%
255/35R18 1 3.33%
265/35R18 4 13.33%
275/35R18 2 6.67%
295/30R18 3 10.00%
315/30R18 1 3.33%
335/30R18 0 0%
235/35R19 0 0%
265/30R19 0 0%
295/30R19 2 6.67%
305/30R19 1 3.33%
325/30R19 1 3.33%
345/30R19 0 0%
285/30R20 1 3.33%
285/35R20 0 0%
315/30R20 1 3.33%
Another size not in this list, posted below. 8 26.67%
N/A 0 0%
N/A 0 0%
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Old 09-17-2017, 12:53 PM
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Re: Toyo Tires Announcement and Sizing Poll

I will be running Motomaster SE3 to secure back to back wins in the highly competitive RTC1 class.
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:34 AM
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I run 225/45/17 fronts + 255/40/17 rears.
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Old 09-18-2017, 12:30 PM
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If there's no wider 15's available in R888R, you're running a severe chance of greatly disadvantaging the smaller cars by having the rules favor that tire.
Would this rule change actually favor the R888R's though? I haven't seen any data to suggest they're faster than RE71R's (most data I've seen show them being a bit slower).
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Old 09-18-2017, 01:39 PM
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Would this rule change actually favor the R888R's though? I haven't seen any data to suggest they're faster than RE71R's (most data I've seen show them being a bit slower).
Here is a decent test between the RE71 and a NT01 on track. I've heard that the NT01 is the same rubber as an RA1 or an old 888..really not sure what is true. In any case, the new 888R should be faster(at least for Toyo's sake) than the NT01.

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I think Chris P. can at least tell us how much better they are than the old 888.

Maybe I shouldn't be commenting considering I am not competing...
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Old 09-18-2017, 01:39 PM
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Would this rule change actually favor the R888R's though? I haven't seen any data to suggest they're faster than RE71R's (most data I've seen show them being a bit slower).
I have good RE71Rs left and if I knew the price could buy and test R888s that we will run next year and do a back to back test at say TMP later this fall.

Let me know. I could let another driver or 2 share the car to get more impressions. Let me know what you think.
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Would this rule change actually favor the R888R's though? I haven't seen any data to suggest they're faster than RE71R's (most data I've seen show them being a bit slower).
I'm going off anecdotal from a few entries here but, aren't the front running street tire guys on RS4's?

It looks to me like there the real issue is that RE71R and Rival-S are too quick and too short lived to fit nicely with the other 0 point tires. Would a safer choice not be to make them +5's as opposed to making tire with unknown performance and durability (and really, couple of web articles doesn't change that) that isn't available in everyone's size a +0 when it also doesn't fit the definition of the category?
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If I run these, it would be a split set of 185/60 R 13 front, 235/50 R 15 rear. With the low weight of my car, I think one set should last the season. I'm hoping to get the smaller front tires hot enough to actually wear.

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Old 09-18-2017, 03:27 PM
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I'm going off anecdotal from a few entries here but, aren't the front running street tire guys on RS4's?

It looks to me like there the real issue is that RE71R and Rival-S are too quick and too short lived to fit nicely with the other 0 point tires. Would a safer choice not be to make them +5's as opposed to making tire with unknown performance and durability (and really, couple of web articles doesn't change that) that isn't available in everyone's size a +0 when it also doesn't fit the definition of the category?
I think it's a mix of RE71R and RS4, but not positive. I wasn't at enough events to say for sure. I call pull what's in the CCDB to see what was declared to see the mix though if it's worth anything.

I'm not positive, but I think NASA has put the RE71R up in points, and the R888R down.
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So Mr. Slowpoke,

Are you saying that if we order tires now for spring delivery, we can get the Team Toyo registration discount by registering now for 2018? Or, would we need to pre-order now, then defer payment until spring and apply the discount then?

Or would it be better to speak to a dealer directly?
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If I run these, it would be a split set of 195/50R15 front, 235/50ZR15 rear.

Kevin
Thanks, Kevin. This isn't a commitment to buy, and the poll lets you select multiple sizes, so go ahead and select both sizes. It just helps let Toyo know what the community purchases.
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Old 09-18-2017, 05:35 PM
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go ahead and select both sizes
Too late - already selected 'other - see below'. Is there a way to un-vote?
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This is a fantastic move to support a long standing series sponsor while also recognizing a more realistic performance expectation of the R888 & R888r.
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Here is a decent test between the RE71 and a NT01 on track. I've heard that the NT01 is the same rubber as an RA1 or an old 888..really not sure what is true. In any case, the new 888R should be faster(at least for Toyo's sake) than the NT01.

http://www.prima-racing.com/bridgest...king-part-two/


I think Chris P. can at least tell us how much better they are than the old 888.

Maybe I shouldn't be commenting considering I am not competing...
All that I can tell you is the R888r & R888 are close enough in performance that selection of one over another is likely more dependent on driver preference, and perhaps car type. Performance and wear characteristics are pretty similar which should be expected given the same rubber compound is used. Do you like stiff sidewalls and lower complaince or soft sidewalls with more gradual progression to slip... To each their own.
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Old 09-18-2017, 07:32 PM
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If there's no wider 15's available in R888R, you're running a severe chance of greatly disadvantaging the smaller cars by having the rules favor that tire.
Where was your outrage when the fake 200TW streets weren't made in even STOCK Corvette or VIper sizes, but your Miata enjoyed up to +50mm width from stock in your preferred wheel diameter? Starting the off-season rule battles, Barry?

Am I one of the few who has run RE-71-R, RA1, R888, R888R and RS4? I haven't run the new Rival, but seems to be equal to a RE-71-R. What we're proposing is a fair grouping. We could also cherry-pick which Streets to move up to non-premium R, but that is splitting hairs and this is fair placement for the R888R.

If you haven't tried the R888R yet: On my car, the R888R works better than the R888 on the front end which gives more confidence in faster corners. Making a Subaru turn in to a corner isn't easy, so for my AWD car, it works noticeably better than the R888. Not two seconds a lap, but in line with Toyo's data on the tire. The asymmetric non-directional tread pattern is odd to get used to, being able to rotate LF to RR without dismounting is also a help for Ontario's all Clockwise road courses.



I'd like to see OTA continue be a grass-roots competitor focused organization with fair options for all competitors. That also means keeping it affordable. Time Attack series need more sponsorship than race series because we're limited in the number of competitors we can have on-track at once. We can't put 60 cars out at once and let them "sort it out".
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335 wide 18's aren't enough? Edit: Have a citation: http://www.bfgoodrichracing.com/stre...force-rival-s/

And didn't I just suggest pipping the most competitive tire that could be fitted to a Miata (or, indeed the Chumpcar that would be fun to take to an event)?

C'mon Steve; try a little harder to make it look like I have an agenda here. I've seen you do better.

My observation still stands that 50% of the top 30 of your field doesn't have a choice wider than 205 that fits their car in the R888R. Dem's the facts.
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