Toyo Tires Announcement and Sizing Poll

[Slowpoke]

Originally Posted by Lloyd_

Something like 2.2F/1.3R.

It's not quite as uneven as you might think from the photo. But they do seem to like to wear the shoulders.

Sure that isn't fender rub? Pretty localized.

[Lloyd_]

Originally Posted by Slowpoke

Sure that isn't fender rub? Pretty localized.

There is a bit of rub on the front when using a lot of lock while autocrossing (both on the fenderwell behind the headlight, and maybe a bit on the fender). But nothing that seemed to do much damage.

I think this is mostly the result of the tire disintegrating (rather than wearing through). Rotate it 180 degrees and it isn't corded on that side. *shrug*

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Grant Galloway

Looks like I will be on RE71R cheater tires for next year! Was looking to run Hankook TDs as an R compound and take the pips but can't get TD's in Canada, at least not easily.

Can Will @ PointZero get them? I know at one time he had piles of them.

[Gary]

Is there a typo in the tire size grid? 195/50 R16 is grouped with the 14 inch wheel sizes. In any event, I do know that a set of the largest available 14 inch size will get ordered in the spring.

[Silex326]

205/50/15's

As a new comer to Time Attack i was a little confused as to what was actually classed as a "street tire" in picking out my choices i ended up going with Dunlop's Direzza DZ102 that had a 460 TW ...after the first event i found out the hard way 4 stale donuts from krispy kreme would have done just as well ... .

I would be very interested in seeing what kind of improvment some Toyo's would make.

[jimmo-san]

Originally Posted by Slowpoke

The asymmetric non-directional tread pattern is odd to get used to, being able to rotate LF to RR without dismounting is also a help for Ontario's all Clockwise road courses.

Vacation time and reading about the Toyo R888R and R888.

Does anyone know/care to speculate about the theory behind the asymmetrical non-directional R888R tread pattern? Other than the advantages of being able to rotate the tires (and manufacturing simplicity for Toyo)?

I found this on the Lotus 7 forum. But it still does not explain the *why* of it.

'We would like to inform you that if the tread pattern seems to have a different orientation on either side of the car, this will not change anything with the overall performance of the tyre. There will be no problem if the grooves on one side of the car point upwards and on the other side downwards, after you fit these asymmetric tyres. The long, steep grooves on the outer shoulder of the tyres are designed to direct as much water as possible to the outside via the shortest way and therefore in shortest possible time. These tyres are designed in such a way that the water can be drained in the direction of the shoulder, to the outside, as well as in direction of the deep circumference grooves. The angle in which they run has no impact on the aquaplaning performance and the driving comfort of the tyre.”

Just curious. Being able to rotate the tires left to right is good.

Picture of the tires also from the Lotus 7 forum.

[Grant Galloway]

I think you may want a set of RA1 if it rains!

The Trofeos from Pirelli also were non-directional and in the wet they were terrible!

I am going with RE71R for 2018 in the biggest size I can put on the car!

Grant

[jimmo-san]

Originally Posted by Grant Galloway

I think you may want a set of RA1 if it rains

Found this quote too while googling:

“I took the car through the city streets during a particularly rainy period a few days after the initial test, when the MX-5 managed to spin the rear wheels in second gear (a very rare thing to happen for any Miata), but the tires mostly behaved as long as I kept my right foot under control. As for driving in dry conditions on a racing surface, the R888R tires deliver outstanding grip and feedback that remains consistent through multiple heat cycles. Despite a small amount of floating on turn-in, the tires were plenty responsive to remain predictable and high performing in a track environment.”

http:// http://dsportmag.com/the-tec...re-evaluation/

I’ll stay off the track in the rain with these. 😎

[Major_Rice]

Hi Everyone,

Totally new to everything here, I have purchased both RE71R and RS4 tires in preparation for 2018, but the Toyo tires seems to have more size selection once in the 17"+ rim sizes.
That's cool and all but out of curiosity what will the pricing be like for the Toyo offerings??

If they are comparable to the "street tire" $/performance/longevity with the proposed Toyo discount then, of course, I would be on board.

Any info on pricing would be very beneficial

[Slowpoke]

Originally Posted by Grant Galloway

The Trofeos from Pirelli also were non-directional and in the wet they were terrible!

Lucky you, I ran them in the snow! . I didn't feel that it was related to tread pattern, but the Trofeo's Compound having low silica content and high temperature performance. Hard to get the compound "to switch on" as they say in F1.

Originally Posted by Jimmo-San

I’ll stay off the track in the rain with these. 😎
12-30-

I've run the R888R in pretty heavy rain at the DDT and the performance was good for a medium track compound with a 6/32" tread depth. It's slightly more dry oriented than the R888 was. A softer compound will heat up faster and might work better in the wet, but the RA1 with it's 8/32" tread depth, well spaced sipes, and softer, rounder sidewall work very well with lighter and lower horsepower cars wet and dry.

[Grant Galloway]

Do we have pricing on these yet?

[Time Attack Director]

All you need to do is call a Toyo Motorsports vendor. Braidan Tire sponsors CASC-OR and is our preferred vendor.



Register for Team Toyo with Ontario Time Attack as your discipline and you will get 40% off the list prices in this file. Check with your club to see if they have any other tire discounts for you.

Those are the 2017 prices, which will likely increase 2%-3% for 2018, so consider ordering early. Estimated date of price increase is roughly March 1st. You can order now and the tires will likely ship mid-April dependent on weather. They will keep them warm for you in a warehouse during the winter and won't ship in freezing temperatures.

[Major_Rice]

One of the big reasons for allowing Toyo tires when discussed at the Open House was the selection of tire sizes. When cross referencing the available sizes of the R888R from tire rack to the above document there are several sizes that's not available. I was wondering if they will become available or will they still be subjected to the 40% discount??

Some Sizes are:
235/50/15
245/45/16
315/35/17
315/30/18
And quite a couple of sizes missing in the 19"+ sizes

Also you will notice the pricing between the above document and the pricing of tire rack are outrageously different for example: 205/50/15 $325 CDN ($195 CDN after 40% discount) vs Tirerack's $145 USD (~ $189 CDN) or 255/40/17 $420 CDN (252 CDN after 40% discount) vs Tirerack's $186 USD (~$240CDN).

Which brings me to question the "40%" discount, there doesn't seem to be any benefit to the user of the tire as this seemingly amazing discount opportunity just simply brings the initially crazy price to just reasonable.

Any comments on the pricing pamphlet that we have been shown?

[craig]

To be fair, you have to include shipping from TireRack, whether to you in Canada (about $40US/tire for me) or to a warehouse in upstate New York (about $20US/tire for me, including warehouse charge and bridge toll).

Thus, the Toyo competitor pricing is pretty comparable to one of the largest discounters of tires around, but with the advantages local shops offer.

[Major_Rice]

Hi Criag,
The point of the post isn't to discuss the extra $40/tire in shipping, it is to say that this 40% discount that we are getting simply offsets whatever markup is applied to the Toyo offerings... it is completely absurd the amount of markup that has been applied.