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View Poll Results: How likely is your OTA entry, and What Tire Size do you prefer?
I am unlikely to compete in OTA next year, but below is my preferred size 1 3.33%
I may compete in OTA next year, not sure, but below is my preferred size 8 26.67%
Oh yeah, I'm competing in OTA next year! Below is my preferred size 18 60.00%
185/60R16 0 0%
205/60R13 0 0%
185/60R14 0 0%
195/50R16 0 0%
195/55R15 0 0%
205/50R15 3 10.00%
225/50R15 1 3.33%
235/50R15 0 0%
195/50R16 0 0%
205/45R16 0 0%
205/50R16 1 3.33%
205/55R16 0 0%
225/45R16 2 6.67%
245/45R16 0 0%
205/40R17 0 0%
205/45R17 0 0%
215/45R17 0 0%
225/45R17 2 6.67%
235/40R17 2 6.67%
235/45R17 0 0%
255/40R17 4 13.33%
225/40R18 1 3.33%
235/40R18 0 0%
245/40R18 1 3.33%
255/35R18 1 3.33%
265/35R18 4 13.33%
275/35R18 2 6.67%
295/30R18 3 10.00%
315/30R18 1 3.33%
335/30R18 0 0%
235/35R19 0 0%
265/30R19 0 0%
295/30R19 2 6.67%
305/30R19 1 3.33%
325/30R19 1 3.33%
345/30R19 0 0%
285/30R20 1 3.33%
285/35R20 0 0%
315/30R20 1 3.33%
Another size not in this list, posted below. 8 26.67%
N/A 0 0%
N/A 0 0%
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PS: Miata had 20mm tires wider than stock.

Feel free to hit me up if you need some tire info Steve. You seem to be a little misinformed.
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I'm on the fence about what I'm up too next year,need to run 225-45 or 245-40 15's though.

Seems the pole is only for 888r's though based on the sizes offered.

For a zero pip I'd be better to run a "street" tire in the size I want then stuck with a 205.

Of course I'd rather go a little quicker and have a shot at some toyo bucks so my choice would probably be a set of RR's.
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PS: Miata had 20mm tires wider than stock. Feel free to hit me up if you need some tire info Steve. You seem to be a little misinformed.
Not at all. The NA and NB Miatas (the most popular generations in our series) are already well-serviced in both stock and wide sizes by the current sticky streets. You have options.

The 295/35/18 (or even 295/30/18) is the stock size for the C5 Vette and we have several in our series. Rival S, Rival 1.5, RE-71-R and RS4 do not offer this size. Hankook finally offered the 295/40/18 this year. I don't know for sure as I don't own a Vette, but aside from lengthening the gearing (which the Vette doesn't need in Ontario) it is not conducive to a square setup.

Barry, we're opening up the options for everyone. Snizzoop's, Tom's and your comments about the sizing will go direct to Toyo. They requested this data. Obviously, I can't promise more than that.

We are working on other sponsorships as well. Hopefully you will be happier with one of those.
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To clear the air a little, I do agree that:

- Toyo and their support are awesome. Continued work to keeping their support is fantastic and should be applauded.
- The 'autocross compound' super 200TW's relative pace (by which I specifically mean the Rival-S, the RE71R, the Kumho V720 and the Nexen SUR 4G) and, more importantly, wear in comparison to +5 treaded R-comps is an issue.

You're totally right, Miata has great options already. I was taking issue with the stipulation that vette's and similar don't. We don't have a rule set that enforces stock tire sizes, anything you can fit under the fender is fair game. There are Rival S choices that are proven to fit Mustangs, C5, C5Z06, C6 and C6Z06 (and have been since the autocross compound 200TW wars started in 2015). Viper comes from the factory with V720s now. So basically, playing field is pretty even there.

Only point I'm making, is that if you're making an R-comp 0 pips that only half the field can fit...Not an insurmountable issue, but it is an issue. The NT01 comes in wide 15's, the pace is known. Perhaps include it as 0 pips and make the allowance the work for everyone equally.

Or pip the autocross compound super 200's.
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I think the fact that this topic has sparked some conversation in the forum is good enough lol

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Steve hopefully you didn't take my comments as negative,weren't intended to be.

I am surprised the 888r isn't offered in the 225-45-15 size being the go too size for the smaller cars.

My 1st choice in a toyo will be the RR's.
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Yet another girly-car driver commenting....

My preferred size is 225-45-15 which is currently not availability in the 888 or the 888R. I'd happily buy a set from Toyo if they expand the line to that size.

225-45-15 is available in the venerable RA-1 - if that tire is rated at zero PiPs in 2018, that's what I'm buying - predictable, they'll easily last the whole season and they just get faster as they wear down. And sends business to our sponsor.
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:24 AM
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It looks to me like there the real issue is that RE71R and Rival-S are too quick and too short lived to fit nicely with the other 0 point tires. Would a safer choice not be to make them +5's as opposed to making tire with unknown performance and durability (and really, couple of web articles doesn't change that) that isn't available in everyone's size a +0 when it also doesn't fit the definition of the category?
The problem with doing this is that the baseline is constantly evolving and rather than keeping up, we will always be behind. Right now the RS4 and V720 are getting close to the RE-71R and even BFG has introduced the Rival S 1.5. in (again) limited sizes. Given the fact that the performance of the "cheater" streets and 100 tread wear R comps is now about the same they should run in the same class. It is much easier to bring the 888R down a class then constantly try to adjust for all the other tire manufacturers new upgrades.

As for my C5Z, none of the "cheater" streets fits all that well and they are all significantly more money to purchase new than 888s.

The point is, no one is suggesting that the 888R should become a spec tire and few have suggested it is significantly faster than any of the "cheater" streets, but it is available in a wider variety of sizes. If the 888R doesn't fit your car, I bet there is an RE-71R (or other 200 tread wear tire) that does. If they perform the same, they should compete against each other. Making the 888R a "street" tire by our rules is giving people more choices.
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The problem with doing this is that the baseline is constantly evolving and rather than keeping up, we will always be behind. Right now the RS4 and V720 are getting close to the RE-71R and even BFG has introduced the Rival S 1.5. in (again) limited sizes. Given the fact that the performance of the "cheater" streets and 100 tread wear R comps is now about the same they should run in the same class. It is much easier to bring the 888R down a class then constantly try to adjust for all the other tire manufacturers new upgrades.

As for my C5Z, none of the "cheater" streets fits all that well and they are all significantly more money to purchase new than 888s.

The point is, no one is suggesting that the 888R should become a spec tire and few have suggested it is significantly faster than any of the "cheater" streets, but it is available in a wider variety of sizes. If the 888R doesn't fit your car, I bet there is an RE-71R (or other 200 tread wear tire) that does. If they perform the same, they should compete against each other. Making the 888R a "street" tire by our rules is giving people more choices.
I'm more replying to this as a philosophical 'wanting to chat about tires' than any objection to proposal here, so please all take as such

The 1.5 change for the Rival S only effected the construction of the smaller 3-rib sizes to bring it more in line with the stiffness of the larger 4-ribs. Your vette sizes are unaffected and still available per the link I posted there earlier in sizes that are ideal. If I had your car, I'd have just finished my third season on them. I can promise you all the autocross competitors just have and you have the luxury they don't of running square 315/30/18s (they have to keep stock wheel width in AS and run 275/315 on C5Z06's); if you're not keeping up on this stuff... well, you're going to have a hard time being competitive.

I wouldn't say the RS4 is close in intent to the Rival-S, RE71R and V720. It lasts eons longer, is not as fast and takes heat WAY better.

Is it as quick than a R888 or NT01? Well, there's always going to be a best of breed and the street tires are the ones that are getting development resources by the tire companies. Is it faster than Hankook's own TD? Probably not. Both are treaded R-Comps. I do remember a competitor asking here for the Maxxis RC-1 to be rated as a +5 based on pace, fitment options and durability; he was shot down because 'no, that's a non treaded premium R, it's a +10". The fact it was the slowest of it's category didn't matter.

Can I spend less pips on Koni Yellow shocks vs. Penskes? After all, they're not as fast and are certainly cheaper!
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And honestly guys; I'm not taking shots at the series or the plans for it. When I do make it back to time attack, I wouldn't go anywhere else.

We're real fortunate to have a series like this here and all the hard work is appreciated. It get's WAY more right, IMO, than the others do.
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Actually, I do have experience with Rivals (rather than Rival S s) and no the 315s are not ideal sizes (actually a bit wide and would require the extra 2 pips for sticking out beyond the fender more than 13 mm). My personal experience is that even the plain Rival doesn't handle the heat that well and found that consistently the performance dropped off by the third lap of competition AND they heat cycled out. Then to top things off, after stating they would continue to produce Rivals, BFG stopped making them. I think the Rival S is unlikely to last a lot longer on my car and again would prove to be much more expensive than the 888R
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275/315 it is then, nice to have options

FWIW, I hated the original Rival, driving dynamics wise it's a completely different tire.

You're 100% right on longevity though. Would likely need two sets a season
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275/315 it is then, nice to have options

FWIW, I hated the original Rival, driving dynamics wise it's a completely different tire.

You're 100% right on longevity though. Would likely need two sets a season
The Rival and Rival-S feel like completely different tires to me. I would love to talk to an engineer at Michelin to understand what they really changed.

I think it's plausible that a single set of Rival-S could do a competitive OTA season. I don't know if the RE-71R would make it, and the R888 would need at least 2 sets due to heat cycles, not tread wear.
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I'm also looking for 225/45/15.
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The Rival and Rival-S feel like completely different tires to me. I would love to talk to an engineer at Michelin to understand what they really changed.

I think it's plausible that a single set of Rival-S could do a competitive OTA season. I don't know if the RE-71R would make it, and the R888 would need at least 2 sets due to heat cycles, not tread wear.

The internet scuttlebutt (how about that for an old timer's phrase) is that the 285 RE-71R lasts for 4 hours of track use on a Corvette. That is enough for possibly 3 whole days!! Doubt the Rival S is a ton better. Also a 275/315 setup can get REALLY expensive (no tire rotation) and is likely going to understeer like a pig. Besides it is so "2 year old" technology.

Agree the 888R may well require 2 sets to be competitive, just like the other "cheater" streets.

OTOH, it would be nice to try RS4s in the 285/35-18s although they are a bit tall. At least they are more affordable.

Nice to have more choices.
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